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Derek Smith
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 Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:30 pm Post subject: First NET Rankings |
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1. Ohio State
2. Virginia
3. Texas Tech
4. Michigan
5. Gonzaga
6. Duke
7. Michigan State
8. Wisconsin
9. Virginia Tech
10. Loyola Marymount
40. Duquesne
56. VCU
62. Saint Louis
69. Dayton
100. Davidson
127. Fordham
149. Saint Joseph's
160. Rhode Island
172. UMass
257. George Mason
263. Richmond
275. George Washington
322. St. Bonaventure
336. LaSalle
353. Chicago State
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JCDC
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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| well, we're still hanging on with one vote in the AP Top 25 |
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wildforthecats
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Just keep getting better Cats, the rest will take care of itself. |
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Mephisto
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:47 pm Post subject: College Basketball rankings composite |
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| in the composite that I consult, mashing up at this juncture 14 rankings, DU is ranked # 70; and for comparison, Northeastern is at #119 after the weekend. |
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i77cat
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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Duquesne. 40. Something doesn't compute.
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citycat
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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#10 Loyola Marymount is coached by former Hornets' head coach Mike Dunlap. He is a friend of Bob McKillop.
Loyola Marymount has beaten UNLV and Georgetown and is 7-0. They play UCLA in the near future. |
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BDL
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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From Goodman:
“Someone told me the other day that the NCAA probably should have waited another week or so to release the NET — in order to get more data.â€
Wouldn’t pay too much attention to this yet. |
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BDF
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| i77cat wrote: | | Duquesne. 40. Something doesn't compute. |
It looks like Duquesne, Radfod and Notre Dame have happened into some sort of mutually beneficial merry-go-round.
What worries me is if the system can create such a symbiotic relationship for Duquesne, Radford and Notre Dame, what will it do for the P6s once conference play starts?
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CatsUpNorth
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| A few years ago we were ranked first in the initial RPI ratings a year we didn’t make the tournament, no? Like has been said above, hard to take much stock in these yet. Things like Massey and KenPom take into account preseason data, so from a statistical standpoint these are largely useless |
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quickcat
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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The most interesting quote from the article is this:
| Quote: | | The model, which used team performance data to predict the outcome of games in test sets, was optimized until it was as accurate as possible. |
Then they have Loyola Marymount, who beat Central CT by 2 at home, ranked 10th. A good test case - that ranking would imply that they will win roughly 13 or 14 games in conference and 26 or 27 overall before their conference tournament. Let's see how that works out. It is nice that they want to say they used machine learning to figure out how to weight the factors, but maybe they should have used machine learning to help determine the factors.
Massey has some calculations that compare ranking methodologies' predictive powers. We'll see how they do.
One thing I can predict: people will complain about this a lot, which means they'll be talking about it a lot. Which may be a significant portion of the point. |
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GoCats
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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This from ESPN article:
| Quote: | | "Among the critics of the new system Monday was statistician Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight, who called the first list "the worst rankings I've ever seen in any sport, ever." |
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GoCats
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Another ESPN article and more worrisome:
| Quote: | | If the NET were to be taken at face value, major-conference coaches would be forgiven henceforth for scheduling nothing but home games in the early season against the weakest opponents available. Build that scoring margin in November and December, and then hold on as best you can in conference play |
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This is something the power conference do exceedingly well -- at least the part of playing lot of home games against foes they are favored to win. It will be interesting to see if this rating tool is just another power conf tool. I do not like that they are not planning to release how the model actually works.
And of course, like the RPI, once your teams are in conference play - the conference record is half wins and half losses so the Conference rankings are mostly set by pre-conference play.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| GoCats wrote: | This from ESPN article:
| Quote: | | "Among the critics of the new system Monday was statistician Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight, who called the first list "the worst rankings I've ever seen in any sport, ever." |
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Oh man. This is so ripe for fisking enjoyment …. Can we just laugh at everybody? When hubris points fingers at hubris can wisdom even take the Miltonian field?
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