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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:21 pm    Post subject: Watanabe Reply with quote

Okay . . . so I know that I am a Davidson homer and all of that. But can someone please explain to me how Yuta Watanabe can be in the NBA and Peyton is playing in Europe? Don't get me wrong - Watanabe is a quality player, has good length, and has a good stroke. But he doesn't defend like Peyton, is a more limited all around offensive player than Peyton, and is no better a shooter than Peyton (though that is his greatest strength).

More knowledgeable basketball people, please enlighten me.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When we saw them in college, Peyton was the better player. By a big margin. But Watanabe had a much better NBA summer league showing. Here are his highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr3xNuu3Loo
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:36 am    Post subject: Re: Watanabe Reply with quote

catseye wrote:
Okay . . . so I know that I am a Davidson homer and all of that. But can someone please explain to me how Yuta Watanabe can be in the NBA and Peyton is playing in Europe? Don't get me wrong - Watanabe is a quality player, has good length, and has a good stroke. But he doesn't defend like Peyton, is a more limited all around offensive player than Peyton, and is no better a shooter than Peyton (though that is his greatest strength).

More knowledgeable basketball people, please enlighten me.


Um, Yuta was A10 defensive player of the year. I love Peyton and think he's a better all around player, but Watanabe is the better defender.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't watch the NBA aside from the playoffs. Did they start playing defense?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:02 am    Post subject: Re: Watanabe Reply with quote

catseye wrote:
Okay . . . so I know that I am a Davidson homer and all of that. But can someone please explain to me how Yuta Watanabe can be in the NBA and Peyton is playing in Europe? Don't get me wrong - Watanabe is a quality player, has good length, and has a good stroke. But he doesn't defend like Peyton, is a more limited all around offensive player than Peyton, and is no better a shooter than Peyton (though that is his greatest strength).

More knowledgeable basketball people, please enlighten me.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peyton played the 4. He can play the 3. Watanabe played the 3- he has excellent length for that. I think Peyton would be better than YW at the 3, but he didn’t get much of a chance.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also important to note that Watanabe is on a "two-way" contract with Memphis that limits the amount of time he can be with the NBA squad to 45 days. Most of his time will be in the G-league. He'll make 77k, which is a good salary for your first year out of school, and much better than those who just have a G-league contract, but probably less than a top league European contract.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watanabe watanabe?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't $77k his minimum? I think he gets the NBA minimum for each game he's with the big club.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Peyton is a much better basketball player, but Watanabe moves well for his size and has better length, so it isn't all too surprising he is getting a shot on the end of a team's bench. What annoys me more is how Tyler Cavanaugh has stuck in the league while Peyton hasn't. Nothing against Cavanaugh, but they have similar profiles as players but I believe Peyton is much better.

I think Peyton's unselfishness didn't bode well for him in the environments leading up NBA draft where people are trying to show off their skills over being good teammates, and adding that Peyton didn't shoot to his ability in those environments, it was disappointing but not surprising he didn't get a shot this year. His shooting would be the reason a team would take a chance on him, and NBA teams probably don't see much value in taking a chance on a 6'7" post scorer, even if he is amazing in the post scorer like Peyton was.

Not sure what Peyton's future holds with respect to the NBA or if he will try to pursue that route next summer, but he is an amazing basketball player who will make every team he is on better going forward, wherever that may be.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Nets are also terrible.

Peyton was not a very selfish player in SL like many players attempting to make the roster. There were numerous opportunities to take a drive to basket and score the ball solo. It is a move I would argue in our system players do not always learn instinctively in comparison to other offenses.

I could see Peyton playing well in Italy for a year or two and trying again.

Regardless, good to see 3 A-10 players in NBA from last 2-3 yrs. Hopefully a nice league recruiting angle. I would imagine in next 1-2 yrs A-10 could have a few more players on rosters.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

catnhat wrote:
Isn't $77k his minimum? I think he gets the NBA minimum for each game he's with the big club.


You are right. Here's how it works.

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Before we explain why, here’s how two-way contracts actually work
Here are the specific details for the new two-way contract:

They will act as a 16th and 17th roster spot for NBA teams beginning next season (2017-18).
The player can spend up to 45 days with the NBA team that signs him, although no time is guaranteed.
The rest of the player’s contract must be spent in the G-League, either for the team’s affiliate or another’s if the team he signs with doesn’t have a G-League affiliate yet. For the 2017-18 season, the G-League will represent 26 of the NBA’s 30 teams.
The player’s pay comes on a tiered salary system, which can last one or two seasons. While in the G-League, the player will make $75,000. It’s a significant increase from the current pay structure for G-Leaguers, who cannot make more than $26,000 with a one-way G-League deal.
When in the NBA, a player with a two-way contract will accrue a day of service and make money consistent with an NBA rookie minimum, which is about $816,000 next season. If a player spends 45 days in the NBA, he could make around $204,000.
In total, a two-way player who spends the maximum amount of time in the NBA would make $279,000.
That’s a lot more money than the G-League has ever presented its players.Before we explain why, here’s how two-way contracts actually work
Here are the specific details for the new two-way contract:

They will act as a 16th and 17th roster spot for NBA teams beginning next season (2017-18).
The player can spend up to 45 days with the NBA team that signs him, although no time is guaranteed.
The rest of the player’s contract must be spent in the G-League, either for the team’s affiliate or another’s if the team he signs with doesn’t have a G-League affiliate yet. For the 2017-18 season, the G-League will represent 26 of the NBA’s 30 teams.
The player’s pay comes on a tiered salary system, which can last one or two seasons. While in the G-League, the player will make $75,000. It’s a significant increase from the current pay structure for G-Leaguers, who cannot make more than $26,000 with a one-way G-League deal.
When in the NBA, a player with a two-way contract will accrue a day of service and make money consistent with an NBA rookie minimum, which is about $816,000 next season. If a player spends 45 days in the NBA, he could make around $204,000.
In total, a two-way player who spends the maximum amount of time in the NBA would make $279,000.
That’s a lot more money than the G-League has ever presented its players.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/7/18/15985262/nba-two-way-contract-2017-summer-league-agents-worried-about-them
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Watanabe Reply with quote

BDF wrote:
catseye wrote:
Okay . . . so I know that I am a Davidson homer and all of that. But can someone please explain to me how Yuta Watanabe can be in the NBA and Peyton is playing in Europe? Don't get me wrong - Watanabe is a quality player, has good length, and has a good stroke. But he doesn't defend like Peyton, is a more limited all around offensive player than Peyton, and is no better a shooter than Peyton (though that is his greatest strength).

More knowledgeable basketball people, please enlighten me.


Um, Yuta was A10 defensive player of the year. I love Peyton and think he's a better all around player, but Watanabe is the better defender.


This, plus the sheer economic reality: Yuta opens the Japanese Market.. every team would drool at that chance...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peyton opens the Leavittsburg (sp?) market!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DCA06 wrote:
Regardless, good to see 3 A-10 players in NBA from last 2-3 yrs. Hopefully a nice league recruiting angle. I would imagine in next 1-2 yrs A-10 could have a few more players on rosters.

Former A-10 players currently on NBA rosters, including 6 from 2017 and 2018:
DeAndre' Bembry (SJU '17 - Hawks)
Troy Daniels (VCU '13 - Suns)
Langston Galloway (SJU '14 - Pistons)
Treveon Graham (VCU '15 - Nets)
Jaylen Adams (SBU '18 - Hawks 2-way contract)
Yuta Watanabe (GWU '18 - Nets 2-way)
Tyler Cavanaugh (GWU '17 - Jazz 2-way)
Jared Terrell (URI ’18 â€" Timberwolves 2-way)
Kostas Antetokounmpo (Dayton ’18 sorta - Mavs 2-way).

There are about a dozen A-10 G-Leaguers, most notably Brionte Weber and Scoochie Smith, and maybe 8-10 more who played on an A-10 team and then transferred elsewhere (i.e., T.J. McConnell, Duquesne > Arizona).

https://basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/conferences/Atlantic-10-Conference/10/in-the-pros
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