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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:02 pm
by bjrudell
Scanned through the 12 3- and 4-star recruits who passed up Davidson Basketball offers in 2015 and 2016. Outside of Luke Maye . . .
-- Two are enjoying solid collegiate careers with their chosen team.
-- Two others transferred to lesser programs.
-- The other seven are back-end role players (minimal minutes, 0-5 points a game).
Five of these "busts" were 4-star recruits.
2015 Link: http://www.espn.com/colleges/basketball ... age/offers
2016 Link: http://www.espn.com/colleges/basketball ... age/offers
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:58 pm
by citycat
Sehic had one asset every college program can use more of.
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:43 pm
by stevelee
bjrudell wrote:Scanned through the 12 3- and 4-star recruits who passed up Davidson Basketball offers in 2015 and 2016. Outside of Luke Maye . . .
-- Two are enjoying solid collegiate careers with their chosen team.
-- Two others transferred to lesser programs.
-- The other seven are back-end role players (minimal minutes, 0-5 points a game).
Five of these "busts" were 4-star recruits.
Those results make me wonder how much our coaches really wanted some of these guys. Of course you pursue them up to a point. Some you will back off once you get the transcripts. Some you will decide are not good fits for the program. Players will reach much the same conclusion.
It sounds, though, like maybe four or five could have come here and developed as players, got to be seen on TV, maybe had a shot at the NBA, and might have made a lot of money playing in Europe. For some, though, traveling with a power five team and getting front row seats at the games are more fun.
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:22 pm
by BDL
stevelee wrote:bjrudell wrote:Scanned through the 12 3- and 4-star recruits who passed up Davidson Basketball offers in 2015 and 2016. Outside of Luke Maye . . .
-- Two are enjoying solid collegiate careers with their chosen team.
-- Two others transferred to lesser programs.
-- The other seven are back-end role players (minimal minutes, 0-5 points a game).
Five of these "busts" were 4-star recruits.
Those results make me wonder how much our coaches really wanted some of these guys. Of course you pursue them up to a point. Some you will back off once you get the transcripts. Some you will decide are not good fits for the program. Players will reach much the same conclusion.
It sounds, though, like maybe four or five could have come here and developed as players, got to be seen on TV, maybe had a shot at the NBA, and might have made a lot of money playing in Europe. For some, though, traveling with a power five team and getting front row seats at the games are more fun.
Maybe I'm just naïve or have too much confidence in Bob McKillop but I think he would mold any 4 star talent he recruited into an all conference (A10) level player. McKillop puts so much in every kid, he doesn't just abandon one when a newer/shinier one is available. For a lot of these kids, its too easy to become buried and stay buried in the depth chart. Its not the same at Davidson. If the kid is willing to work he will have some sort of success (health willing of course). Just look at Oskar, he played a grand total of 140 minutes his junior year... His senior year he played 550 minutes (many of which came in high leverage situations) and filled an important role.
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:27 pm
by BDL
BDL wrote:stevelee wrote:bjrudell wrote:Scanned through the 12 3- and 4-star recruits who passed up Davidson Basketball offers in 2015 and 2016. Outside of Luke Maye . . .
-- Two are enjoying solid collegiate careers with their chosen team.
-- Two others transferred to lesser programs.
-- The other seven are back-end role players (minimal minutes, 0-5 points a game).
Five of these "busts" were 4-star recruits.
Those results make me wonder how much our coaches really wanted some of these guys. Of course you pursue them up to a point. Some you will back off once you get the transcripts. Some you will decide are not good fits for the program. Players will reach much the same conclusion.
It sounds, though, like maybe four or five could have come here and developed as players, got to be seen on TV, maybe had a shot at the NBA, and might have made a lot of money playing in Europe. For some, though, traveling with a power five team and getting front row seats at the games are more fun.
Maybe I'm just naïve or have too much confidence in Bob McKillop but I think he would mold any 4 star talent he recruited into an all conference (A10) level player. McKillop puts so much in every kid, he doesn't just abandon one when a newer/shinier one is available. For a lot of these kids, its too easy to become buried and stay buried in the depth chart. Its not the same at Davidson. If the kid is willing to work he will have some sort of success (health willing of course). Just look at Oskar, he played a grand total of 140 minutes his junior year... His senior year he played 550 minutes (many of which came in high leverage situations) and filled an important role.
Oddly enough, this is one of the reasons why star ratings mean absolutely nothing. If Bob deems a kid worth a scholarship then that's good enough for me. McKillop will squeeze out every drop of talent and value a kid has.
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:05 pm
by stevelee
And those two messages amplify what I was trying to say/imply.
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:35 pm
by BDF
I admire and am envious of guys like Oskar and Tom Droney who have such incredible grit. Obviously these guys have tremendous character and they also have had the chance to experience the care of coaches and teammates who had faith in them for four years.
The guys who have early success, struggle and find their way back will always be among my favorite players.
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:52 pm
by BDL
stevelee wrote:And those two messages amplify what I was trying to say/imply.
Sorry if it came off as argumentative. I was trying to agree with you.
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:15 pm
by DCA06
This is why I am particularly interested in Hunter Tyson's year at Clemson. He will be going up against some pretty formidable 3/4s and Clemson is like all schools always looking to over recruit at that position given Duke, UNC. I think Hunter could have been a PA type mold here over 4 years but went with the "name brand".
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:19 pm
by stevelee
BDL wrote:stevelee wrote:And those two messages amplify what I was trying to say/imply.
Sorry if it came off as argumentative. I was trying to agree with you.
Sometimes on these boards people who are on the same side get into arguments. I was just trying to avoid that.
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:52 pm
by RichmondCat
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:10 pm
by stevelee
Leaves not ready
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:16 pm
by CatsUpNorth
If it really is an official visit and not a typo for unofficial, that is a huge deal and indicates a ton of interest on his part, especially since his junior season hasn't even started yet. Even if it is just an unofficial visit, still a great sign.
EDIT: so per here:
https://www.ncsasports.org/ncaa-eligibi ... ial-visits
For D1 men's basketball, recruits can begin taking official visits starting January 1 of their junior year of high school.
BUT also
Due to a rule update by the NCAA, effective April 25, 2018, official visits for all other DI sports can begin September 1 of the athlete's junior year of high school. For almost all sports, this bumps up the official visit date.
So I guess it might be possible. I was skeptical because I was familiar with the former rule.
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:29 pm
by RichmondCat
CatsUpNorth wrote:
If it really is an official visit and not a typo for unofficial, that is a huge deal and indicates a ton of interest on his part, especially since his junior season hasn't even started yet. Even if it is just an unofficial visit, still a great sign.
EDIT: so per here:
https://www.ncsasports.org/ncaa-eligibi ... ial-visits
For D1 men's basketball, recruits can begin taking official visits starting January 1 of their junior year of high school.
BUT also
Due to a rule update by the NCAA, effective April 25, 2018, official visits for all other DI sports can begin September 1 of the athlete's junior year of high school. For almost all sports, this bumps up the official visit date.
So I guess it might be possible. I was skeptical because I was familiar with the former rule.
Kellan Grady committed his junior year on an official visit.
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:37 pm
by RichmondCat
CatsUpNorth wrote:
So I guess it might be possible. I was skeptical because I was familiar with the former rule.
Digging further looks like the old rule applies to MBB.
For D1 men's basketball, recruits can begin taking official visits starting January 1 of their junior year of high school. Women's basketball recruits may begin taking official visits April of their junior year of high school, beginning the Thursday following the Women's Final Four tournament.
Due to a rule update by the NCAA, effective April 25, 2018, official visits for all other DI sports can begin September 1 of the athlete's junior year of high school. For almost all sports, this bumps up the official visit date.
https://www.ncsasports.org/ncaa-eligibi ... ial-visits