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TOK
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I'm really bothered by the shoddy journalism of this article. The writer strongly implies that Buckingham was dismissed for smoking pot.
| Quote: | The university’s Department of Athletics General Policies and Performance Expectations for Student-Athletes lists several potential reasons for dismissal. Those include, but are not limited to, unauthorized use of marijuana and other drugs, and commission of a criminal offense. There is no evidence on area courts websites that Buckingham was charged with a crime.
The UR policy states that “The institution may test for banned substances at its discretion and at cut off levels lower than those used by the NCAA.†|
Look at that passage. He basically presents two reasons for possible dismissal: criminal offense and use of marijuana. He then tells you it wasn't a criminal offense. Then he throws in additional information about the drug policy.
But, there are more than two reasons in the UR policy that can lead to dismissal. I checked the policy on their website. Hazing and gambling, for instance, can also get you kicked out.
Either, the writer doesn't know why Buckingham was thrown out and is purely speculating, which would be irresponsible journalism. Alternatively, he knows, but can't source it, in which case it's lazy journalism. If people are telling you off the record, find someone who will tell you on the record, or on background. |
Isn't smoking marijuana a criminal act in the state of Virginia? |
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RichmondCat
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Location: Richmond, VA
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| TOK wrote: | | BDF wrote: |
I'm really bothered by the shoddy journalism of this article. The writer strongly implies that Buckingham was dismissed for smoking pot.
| Quote: | The university’s Department of Athletics General Policies and Performance Expectations for Student-Athletes lists several potential reasons for dismissal. Those include, but are not limited to, unauthorized use of marijuana and other drugs, and commission of a criminal offense. There is no evidence on area courts websites that Buckingham was charged with a crime.
The UR policy states that “The institution may test for banned substances at its discretion and at cut off levels lower than those used by the NCAA.†|
Look at that passage. He basically presents two reasons for possible dismissal: criminal offense and use of marijuana. He then tells you it wasn't a criminal offense. Then he throws in additional information about the drug policy.
But, there are more than two reasons in the UR policy that can lead to dismissal. I checked the policy on their website. Hazing and gambling, for instance, can also get you kicked out.
Either, the writer doesn't know why Buckingham was thrown out and is purely speculating, which would be irresponsible journalism. Alternatively, he knows, but can't source it, in which case it's lazy journalism. If people are telling you off the record, find someone who will tell you on the record, or on background. |
Isn't smoking marijuana a criminal act in the state of Virginia? |
Usually, yes. Also, Commonwealth. |
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ChantillyCat
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Khwan Fore to Tennessee.
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Acorn
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| ChantillyCat wrote: | | Khwan Fore to Tennessee. |
Nickname: "Toothree" |
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Waitress
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Acorn wrote: | | ChantillyCat wrote: | | Khwan Fore to Tennessee. |
Nickname: "Toothree" |
Good one.
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i77cat
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Jalen Johnson is leaving SLU. Who cares? JAG's little brother.
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citycat
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Jalen graduated from University Laboratory High School in Baton Rouge, LA. He sounds like a young man with a good academic background. |
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RichmondCat
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Malachi Flynn to San Diego State. |
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citycat
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Jordan Shepherd of Oklahoma announced he's transferring to UNCC. He played some for the Sooners, averaging about 3 ppg. Shepherd went to a private high school in Asheville.
Ryan Murphy is transferring from UNCC. He was a good shooter who went to UNCC as a walk on and earned a scholarship. His abilities may not fit with Ron Sanchez's preferred style. |
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stan
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| BDF wrote: | In ranting about this to my wife, I realize why it bothers me so much.
For one, if it wasn't pot, its unfair to Buckingham to imply that it was.
But more broadly, what if this beat writer for the Richmond Times-Dispatch decides he's done covering Spider basketball and wants to write about something that actually matters. Maybe he moves to DC and starts covering Congress or the President. Or he moves to New York and starts covering Wall Street. We need quality journalists who don't take short cuts or make unsubstantiated implications in their writing. It is way too easy for fake news (ie it wasn't really pot) to make its way into print or for real news to be dismissed as fake news (it was pot, but because the reporting behind it was bad, those who don't want to believe it can dismiss it.) John O'Connor is no cub reporter. What if young reporters are reading him and thinking, this is how you do it?
In an age when anyone (even me) can write anything (even this) on the internet, we need the real journalists to be real journalists and have the highest standards. Unfortunately, I think, the pressure to publish and be first has dragged many actual journalists down to message board standards. I'm sure O'Connor didn't want to get scooped by the Spider message board, but we need people who believe an accurate, well sourced story is better than the first story. |
Agree 100%.
1) the speculation is unnecessary. Spider hoops fans don't really care the reason. He's gone. It sucks. Why doesn't really matter. If the writer has hard news as to why, he can print it. But it's small change.
2) We've never had quality journalism. Before the internet, we just didn't know quite how bad it really is.
In 1993, C-Span did a panel discussion (I'm 75% sure it included Davidson's Tony Snow '77). David Broder had written a column expressing concern because the cable channels were hiring some Republicans from the former Bush administration to comment on their various news talk shows (to go along with the "journalists" that had served in prior Dem administrations). Broder was worried that viewers might be confused into thinking that biased Republicans like Tony Snow were journalists and this would cause the reputation of journalism to suffer. [Yes, Broder was always a fool, but this one really hit bottom.]
Brian Lamb put together a panel that included Hodding Carter (famous as press sec. for State Dept under Jimmy Carter during Iran hostage crisis), Linda Chavez (I think, or might have been Mona Charen), William Harwood -- then an editor with Wash Post, and some others. Harwood was the father of John Harwood of NBC (always in the running for worst journalist in DC).
All the panelists (D and R) thought that Broder's concerns were unfounded. Tony, for example, talked about his long career in journalism before working a speechwriter and press sec in the White House. Everyone talked about how they were all able (D and R) to put their biases aside and practice responsible journalism. And they expressed confidence that those on the other side of the political spectrum would, too. It was too much Kumbaya and really pretty boring until Harwood spoke at the end.
He started out by saying that the notion that journalists aren't actively biased was silly. That journalists and publications have always been biased and had worked for their favored party his whole career. He told of his first assignment in his first journalism job at the Tennessean right out of Vandy. He had to write a campaign speech for a Dem running for legislature named Branstetter. [I assume this was Cecil, a prominent Nashville lawyer, whose son Dewey was in my class at Vandy Law.] His 2d assignment was to cover the campaign event where the speech was given. He said his story praised the quality of the speech. He thought it was excellent. 3d assignment was to write the editorial endorsing the candidate. He said that such partisan journalism was standard at the places he worked throughout his career which was then wrapping up at the Post. Unfortunately, they'd run out of time and that ended the show just when things got fun.
Anyone who has paid attention over the years knows of dozens, if not hundreds, of similar examples. And not just in the area of politics. We see it in sports, science, the arts, book reviews, etc. The problem of bias is enormous, especially because the profession seems to lack anyone with the self-awareness to realize that it is impossible for anyone to control their biases (see Kahneman, et al). But the problem of active, corrupt partisanship is even worse. It's basically fraud. They tell the public they aren't biased while actively working with their advertisers, favored candidates and causes to manufacture stories, leaks, etc. and ignore stories that are unfavorable. And of course, refusing to put in place any quality control measures that would actually work to reduce the influence of bias in their product.
It's easy to bemoan the lack of quality today. But realize, it's always been bad. We just didn't know how bad.
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Waitress
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This?
https://www.c-span.org/video/?26098-1/journalists-crossing-government
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catnhat
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Location: Asheboro, NC
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| When Fox got started at App they brought in a lot of bodies. One who came as a walk-on was Landon Goesling. He left and played at DII St. Edwards. He must have played pretty well. Houston just gave him a scholarship as a graduate transfer. |
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catnhat
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| According to a post on the Wofford fan forum Pat Hickert's son Grayson will be transferring to North Greenville and will focus on baseball in the future. |
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catnhat
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| Concord's Lavar Batts first committed to VCU. They released him when they had their coaching change. He went to State. Now he's going to UNCA. I bet he thrives there. Then as a 17 point scorer he'll do the grad transfer thing- unless it's passé then with the changing transfer rules. |
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