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BDL
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Also, GWU and Richmond have been very bad recently but both have solid hsitories and will rebound. HOWEVER, something needs to happen with La Salle, (to a lesser extent) Mason, and (especially) Fordham.
Fordham and La Salle have combined for 1 ncaa tournament appearance since 1993, have low basketball budgets, and play in literal gyms. |
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rbarney
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:29 pm Post subject: A10 |
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| Two more I would throw into the hopper would be the University of Vermont and Radford (although the league is already heavily weighted in the DC/Virginia market), each of which fits well geographically. I agree that nothing is going to change until someone decides to leave the A10. I suspect Fordham and LaSalle would be good candidates for departure, given their facilities. |
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TOK
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| BDL wrote: | | catnhat wrote: | The Colonial is the usual site of schools the A10 goes after (though Siena and Iona have some backers). W and CofC and Northeastern are basketball schools so they could be attractive.
I think the most likely to leave is Umass over FB. Dayton and St. Louis want to go Big East, but the attraction is not mutual (at least for now).
Delaware has no basketball history, but they are the flagship school in their state. If approached would they promise to spend enough on basketball? If so they could fit. I doubt it happens, but the potential upside is greater than for most other options. |
A) The Big East is not expanding, if anything there is an open invitation for when UConn inevitably drops their dumpster fire of a football program. They love the round robin format and from what I’ve read, we are considered a more attractive long term option than SLU or Davidson (because of our academics and Nova and G’town have made it clear they do not want anymore Midwest schools).
B) UMass is never leaving either, from what I’ve heard the football program is not priority 1 or even 2 (hockey is now higher).
C) UNCW, Charleston, Northeastern, Murray State, UNI, UVM, Iona, and Belmont would all be solid options but all these schools have obvious detractions as well.
D) Your Delaware point is prescient. I too have thought about them and James Madison. JMU spends loads of money on their athletics and is within the geographical footprint. If they committed to having a good program, with their resources and a better conference, they could be dangerous.
E) There are multiple schools who I think would be great in the A10 but unfortunately have fbs football (Buffalo, ODU, etc) |
At JMU football is king. The Dukes aren't going anywhere that doesn't put them in FBS for football. |
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quickcat
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| dorp wrote: | | Some conferences have 8 or 9 teams with a current KenPom ranking higher than 70. I don't know how it all works, but when they play each other, one team will lose and drop, right? For example, 68 Alabama, 67 Mississippi, and 62 Vandy. They'll all play each other. They can't all be winners. |
Not necessarily. KenPom ratings are based on score differentials (with some adjustments), not W vs L. So if #67 is at #68 and #68 wins by 3 (the home court advantage), the teams could stay the same. If #67 wins by 3 that is a 6 point swing, so they'd get better.
Using Davidson examples, I think we were favored by about 6-8 at UNCW and won by 6, and our rating didn't move much (75 to 77). We were favored by 8 against Winthrop and our 18 point victory moved us from 77 to 70. |
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BDL
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: A10 |
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| rbarney wrote: | | Two more I would throw into the hopper would be the University of Vermont and Radford |
In my past posts I am a big supporter of adding UVM. However, the jump from the America East to the A10 is considerable, their facilities aren't the best, and their funding is not great.
In fact, I'd be weary about adding any team not from the CAA or MVC. |
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rbarney
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:12 pm Post subject: Winthrop |
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| Translated by Google from the Icelandic . . . |
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GoCats
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| Steve Rodgers wrote: | To the more critical members of our board:
To begin, I will admit that many of your observations are perceptive and essentially right. My point though is that we need to be realistic about the DU team. We are going to be flawed, we do not have and likely will never have (again) a team that will consist of top rated athletes that can go toe to toe with the best teams in the country. What we do have is a hard working group, extremely well coached, each of whom is deficient in some area (with 1 or 2 exceptions) but in the aggregate greater than the sum of their parts. Usually we start slow, but the coaching brings it together and we finish strong. However, this team is 8-1, a strong start.
I like enjoying the somewhat unexpected record. I like emphasizing the positive things and there are many in the 2018-2019 Cats. We could be very dangerous. Very dangerous. So yes we're not going to win the National Championship, but I don't think many teams are going to want to play us. And that makes me happy. |
I am sometimes critical but I love this team. There is talent, size, and athleticism. I thought Winthrop played really hard and defended pretty well -- and we scored 99! The team is evolving and getting better. Several guys seemed to be scraped up so enjoy the rest and do well in exams. JAG is playing the best he ever has in a Davidson uniform. The chemistry of the team is improving. I am still not a fan of some of our defensive schemes - it is asking too much for our wing guards to drop and defend the power forward/center and guard the 3 in the corner and our forward hedges are too far out and too long. Then again we are no longer lamenting our inability to stop guard penetration. When we sort this out -- look out.
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MLC67
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[quote="GoCats"] | Steve Rodgers wrote: | To the more critical members of our board:
To begin, I will admit that many of your observations are perceptive and essentially right. My point though is that we need to be realistic about the DU team. We are going to be flawed, we do not have and likely will never have (again) a team that will consist of top rated athletes that can go toe to toe with the best teams in the country. What we do have is a hard working group, extremely well coached, each of whom is deficient in some area (with 1 or 2 exceptions) but in the aggregate greater than the sum of their parts. Usually we start slow, but the coaching brings it together and we finish strong. However, this team is 8-1, a strong start.
I like enjoying the somewhat unexpected record. I like emphasizing the positive things and there are many in the 2018-2019 Cats. We could be very dangerous. Very dangerous. So yes we're not going to win the National Championship, but I don't think many teams are going to want to play us. |
Never have prayed to the Fates that DU be crowned NCAA National Champion. All I ever ask for is a trip to the Final Four that has been just over the horizon twice since the Iconic Maloy SI Cover fifty years ago this week. Guess what: this team just might make dreams come true. Go 'Cats.
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bostoncat
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Wow...wasn't too long ago that seemingly every other post on this board talked about how much "we loved the new neighborhood" of the A-10.
Stuff ebbs and flows amongst the rung of conferences just below the P6. Its kind of like the 20-somethings in my office that want to make a call on the markets solely based on the last 4-5 years.
Maybe I'm too glass-half-full, but we aren't that too far removed from seasons where teams in this conference made final 4 and great 8 runs. I still much prefer the new neighborhood to the Southern. |
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stevelee
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The old engineer joke is that the glass is twice the size it needs to be.
The new version I heard this week is that the engineer says the glass can be refilled.
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Wildcat98
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| Much of the perception of the A-10 being “down†this year is the result of Dayton and VCU being seen as down (though both of them have some good wins already). Not concerned about either of those programs in the longer term. Agree the earlier thoughts about ebbs and flows—over time, the A-10 will be just fine from a basketball standpoint. |
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85Wildcatsky
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The A10 is the best place for us to be right now. There are not many other options and very few teams would actually help the A10 at this point.
I would recommend we take the Gonzaga approach, win and fill up the arena. If we could some how put 6000 fans in the arener for every home game, I think winning and recruiting would improve greatly.
We graduate no starters and if Coach can add another Luka type player with Ekwu's scholarship slot, the team would even get better.
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citycat
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If we put 6000 in the arena the fire department would end the game. The listed "new and improved" capacity is 4300.
We're happy to be in the A10. In 4 years we've secured an at-large bid and won the conference tournament. An at-large bid was impossible in the SoCon. |
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stevelee
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A few years ago the "glass mostly full" view here was that with luck we could finish 9-9 in conference. Most folks expected us to end up 12th out of 14.
At season start the assumption was that Dayton and VCU would be dancing, and it then was a question of who else.
It had been only two or three years since the A10 had got more teams in than had the ACC. That wasn't the norm, but it did happen. With NCAA adjustments to prevent such tragedies, it is unlikely to be repeated, however. Team and coach departures of course have been factors. As Granny says, them Butlers are proud people.
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Dan the Tuba Man'15
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| Steve Rodgers wrote: | To the more critical members of our board:
To begin, I will admit that many of your observations are perceptive and essentially right. My point though is that we need to be realistic about the DU team. We are going to be flawed, we do not have and likely will never have (again) a team that will consist of top rated athletes that can go toe to toe with the best teams in the country. What we do have is a hard working group, extremely well coached, each of whom is deficient in some area (with 1 or 2 exceptions) but in the aggregate greater than the sum of their parts. Usually we start slow, but the coaching brings it together and we finish strong. However, this team is 8-1, a strong start.
I like enjoying the somewhat unexpected record. I like emphasizing the positive things and there are many in the 2018-2019 Cats. We could be very dangerous. Very dangerous. So yes we're not going to win the National Championship, but I don't think many teams are going to want to play us. And that makes me happy. |
Yea, in my view the great start this year is going to set us up incredibly well for next year. I am usually a pessimist regarding Davidson Basketball but I would put considerable money on the fact that we will be ranked pre-season next year. I think we have enough national pedigree and should have a strong enough season with basically the whole roster returning. Obviously I would love for us to have a great season this year, but I think net year will be something even more special. |
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