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rbarney
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 Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:17 am Post subject: Ratings |
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| As indicated in another thread, the quality of the A10 in basketball is in a long-term decline. The fact that we are a top-rated team with a KenPom of about 70 is an indication that we are nowhere close to competitive with the top 25 and will probably have to be the sole conference representative in the NCAA tournament to get there at all. Given the young nature of this team, I would hope for improvement over time, but the next three weeks could be a real learning curve. I'm not sure what to make of Temple's game last night, given that I think Villanova may be over-rated relative to the schedule they have played so far and their results. |
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BaseRich306
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:47 am Post subject: Re: Ratings |
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| rbarney wrote: | | As indicated in another thread, the quality of the A10 in basketball is in a long-term decline. The fact that we are a top-rated team with a KenPom of about 70 is an indication that we are nowhere close to competitive with the top 25 and will probably have to be the sole conference representative in the NCAA tournament to get there at all. Given the young nature of this team, I would hope for improvement over time, but the next three weeks could be a real learning curve. I'm not sure what to make of Temple's game last night, given that I think Villanova may be over-rated relative to the schedule they have played so far and their results. |
I was just thinking the other night about how young we are. I'm enjoying this season, but it is exciting indeed to think about how we might look next year with senior JAG, senior Kishawn, junior Kellan, healthy Luke, and Luka with a year of experience with the college game (and maybe 10-15 pounds of muscle?). |
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dorp
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:07 am Post subject: |
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| Some conferences have 8 or 9 teams with a current KenPom ranking higher than 70. I don't know how it all works, but when they play each other, one team will lose and drop, right? For example, 68 Alabama, 67 Mississippi, and 62 Vandy. They'll all play each other. They can't all be winners. |
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TOK
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:12 am Post subject: |
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"I'm not sure what to make of Temple's game last night, given that I think Villanova may be over-rated relative to the schedule they have played so far and their results."
Come on now, Villanova hung in there pretty well against Furman. |
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DCA06
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| you know ive been thinking to strengthen the A-10. I would add UCF, Rice, and Northeastern. |
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wildforthecats
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:47 am Post subject: |
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| Waitress wrote: | | Anyone hear why the lights went out in Georgia? |
That's the night that they hung an innocent man? |
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BDL
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| DCA06 wrote: | | you know ive been thinking to strengthen the A-10. I would add UCF, Rice, and Northeastern. |
All three of those teams are usually poor at basketball and 2 have DI football. I think a better, more realistic choices would be like Belmont, UVM, and Charleston. |
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BDL
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:45 am Post subject: |
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| BDL wrote: | | DCA06 wrote: | | you know ive been thinking to strengthen the A-10. I would add UCF, Rice, and Northeastern. |
All three of those teams are usually poor at basketball and 2 have DI football. I think a better, more realistic choices would be like Belmont, UVM, and Charleston. |
I rescind the comment about Northeastern, theyve been solid since 2012 |
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DCA06
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:52 am Post subject: |
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I guess football is the tricky caveat, but none of Belmont, UVM or CoC really make the conference that much stronger.. I think you need to find a weaker team or bottom tier program from a bigger P6 conf willing to switch to have a shot at decent OOC schedule along with chance to look at top of league and get fair shot at conf title.
Football im sure some of these leagues would go more of the independent route, ex. UCF. Rice I think is a good opportunity. I wish we could get Georgetown. |
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catnhat
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| P6 teams are unlikely to walk away from the $. |
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Waitress
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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| catnhat wrote: | | P6 teams are unlikely to walk away from the $. |
Agree. Not happening.
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citycat
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The A10 has 14 teams. No one is going to be added until someone leaves.
Was Rice a serious suggestion? They have been terrible in basketball for decades. They're way outside the conference's footprint. They have football and must be in a conference that offers football.
No school other than Notre Dame or BYU will voluntarily become an independent in football. Bowl appearances are critical to the success of a program.
If 2 schools leave the A10, Davidson should advocate for UNCW and Charleston to be added. They would be rivals for Davidson and help secure a closer site for the A10 Tournament. |
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DCA06
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| look all good suggestions. frankly more I think I would want someone like G'town. they don't really have a football program and their resurgence in a conf like A10 would be strong for everyone. and help group RPI. I just think some of our bottom teams are sh*t and hurt us. overtime if they leave and you kept top tier that would be better/ recycle some better programs in, get more at large bids, helps RPI and recruiting. and $ |
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catnhat
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The Colonial is the usual site of schools the A10 goes after (though Siena and Iona have some backers). W and CofC and Northeastern are basketball schools so they could be attractive.
I think the most likely to leave is Umass over FB. Dayton and St. Louis want to go Big East, but the attraction is not mutual (at least for now).
Delaware has no basketball history, but they are the flagship school in their state. If approached would they promise to spend enough on basketball? If so they could fit. I doubt it happens, but the potential upside is greater than for most other options. |
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BDL
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| catnhat wrote: | The Colonial is the usual site of schools the A10 goes after (though Siena and Iona have some backers). W and CofC and Northeastern are basketball schools so they could be attractive.
I think the most likely to leave is Umass over FB. Dayton and St. Louis want to go Big East, but the attraction is not mutual (at least for now).
Delaware has no basketball history, but they are the flagship school in their state. If approached would they promise to spend enough on basketball? If so they could fit. I doubt it happens, but the potential upside is greater than for most other options. |
A) The Big East is not expanding, if anything there is an open invitation for when UConn inevitably drops their dumpster fire of a football program. They love the round robin format and from what I’ve read, we are considered a more attractive long term option than SLU or Davidson (because of our academics and Nova and G’town have made it clear they do not want anymore Midwest schools).
B) UMass is never leaving either, from what I’ve heard the football program is not priority 1 or even 2 (hockey is now higher).
C) UNCW, Charleston, Northeastern, Murray State, UNI, UVM, Iona, and Belmont would all be solid options but all these schools have obvious detractions as well.
D) Your Delaware point is prescient. I too have thought about them and James Madison. JMU spends loads of money on their athletics and is within the geographical footprint. If they committed to having a good program, with their resources and a better conference, they could be dangerous.
E) There are multiple schools who I think would be great in the A10 but unfortunately have fbs football (Buffalo, ODU, etc)
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